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		<title>By: Paul Dvorak</title>
		<link>http://www.windpowerengineering.com/design/electrical/power-storage/solving-the-use-it-or-lose-it-wind-energy-problem/#comment-3621</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Dvorak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Brown:

You can record a range of pros and cons depending on who you speak with. On the plus side, first and foremost, it&#039;s wonderfully clean. In addition, wind power generates jobs, increases our knowledge of weather systems, reveals weaknesses in conventional electrical equipment, stimulates the invention of new products, it pushes the design boundary of composites, encourages wise use of natural resources, and excites the imagination of many of us.  
 On the downside, like most everything else, it could be less expensive. 

Paul Dvorak

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Brown:</p>
<p>You can record a range of pros and cons depending on who you speak with. On the plus side, first and foremost, it&#8217;s wonderfully clean. In addition, wind power generates jobs, increases our knowledge of weather systems, reveals weaknesses in conventional electrical equipment, stimulates the invention of new products, it pushes the design boundary of composites, encourages wise use of natural resources, and excites the imagination of many of us.<br />
 On the downside, like most everything else, it could be less expensive. </p>
<p>Paul Dvorak</p>
<p>Paul Dvorak</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Dvorak</title>
		<link>http://www.windpowerengineering.com/design/electrical/power-storage/solving-the-use-it-or-lose-it-wind-energy-problem/#comment-3620</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Dvorak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Wright:

Most large batteries are expensive because their are designed for high energy density (for a battery) using costly materials.  But a Prof. at Carnegie-Mellon U. is patenting a big battery that uses low cost materials and has a relatively low-energy density. If it&#039;s stationary, its large size becomes a non-issue. We hope to report on it soon.

Paul Dvorak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Wright:</p>
<p>Most large batteries are expensive because their are designed for high energy density (for a battery) using costly materials.  But a Prof. at Carnegie-Mellon U. is patenting a big battery that uses low cost materials and has a relatively low-energy density. If it&#8217;s stationary, its large size becomes a non-issue. We hope to report on it soon.</p>
<p>Paul Dvorak</p>
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		<title>By: solar panels</title>
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		<dc:creator>solar panels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the pros and cons of wind energy?</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Dvorak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Dvorak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I did leave out pumped hydro, because it is fairly well known and not available to most wind farms. 

Do you know of any elevated reservoirs made just to hold pumped hydro?

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I did leave out pumped hydro, because it is fairly well known and not available to most wind farms. </p>
<p>Do you know of any elevated reservoirs made just to hold pumped hydro?</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Dvorak</title>
		<link>http://www.windpowerengineering.com/design/electrical/power-storage/solving-the-use-it-or-lose-it-wind-energy-problem/#comment-887</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Dvorak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene:

The trick it seems to me is to switch from charge to discharge in about a second. Batteries and flywheels can do that. Then the question becomes, how much should be stored? If a lot, then a large cheap battery will have advantages. The free market will pick the winners.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene:</p>
<p>The trick it seems to me is to switch from charge to discharge in about a second. Batteries and flywheels can do that. Then the question becomes, how much should be stored? If a lot, then a large cheap battery will have advantages. The free market will pick the winners.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Dvorak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Dvorak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim:

Thanks for the comment. The idea sounds like a great way to store excess wind power. Any turbine on the local grid could contribute to the pump power. Too bad it&#039;s not more accessible to more wind plants.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim:</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. The idea sounds like a great way to store excess wind power. Any turbine on the local grid could contribute to the pump power. Too bad it&#8217;s not more accessible to more wind plants.</p>
<p>Paul Dvorak</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Grand Coulee dam in Washington pumps water up into a reservoir behind the dam in periods of excess generation. Wind farms could collaborate with a system like that. The frequency regulation is no longer a problem. I think local neighborhoods should have their own flywheel system that takes all power generation (wind, solar, hydro, etc.) and stores it for that local area and puts it out when needed. This could take a load off the grid during peak hours and store excess generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Grand Coulee dam in Washington pumps water up into a reservoir behind the dam in periods of excess generation. Wind farms could collaborate with a system like that. The frequency regulation is no longer a problem. I think local neighborhoods should have their own flywheel system that takes all power generation (wind, solar, hydro, etc.) and stores it for that local area and puts it out when needed. This could take a load off the grid during peak hours and store excess generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene A. Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene A. Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have had the opportunity to work on these systems.  Battery storage makes so much sense for when the wind in not available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have had the opportunity to work on these systems.  Battery storage makes so much sense for when the wind in not available.</p>
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		<title>By: David Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the second paragraph a statement is made that suggect that utilities are having line frequency change and causing customer problem with over frequency and under frequency.  Can the author cite where this is currently occurring along with the magnitude of the frequency deviations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the second paragraph a statement is made that suggect that utilities are having line frequency change and causing customer problem with over frequency and under frequency.  Can the author cite where this is currently occurring along with the magnitude of the frequency deviations?</p>
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		<title>By: BDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left out pumped storage hydroelectric- these facilities already exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left out pumped storage hydroelectric- these facilities already exist.</p>
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